Genetic Haplogroup N1b???

Edom is Idumea:

Why do they hayit "Whites" the most? (relentless slander in every mainstream news outlet, scapegoated for Edomite run slavery, antiwhite crt in every university, disease targeted at Europeans)

They hayit Cromagnon (most Whites) as it's actually Neanderthals hiding in their ranks, mostly as Edomites/Neo-Babylonian Arabs who are part Neanderthal.

This is part of a 300k years species conflict that never ends due to lack of species honesty. They even worship Saturn.

As the discoverer of Haplogroup G2b (G-M377) as the presumed Edomites (Hertzl, Schwab, Soros, Friedman, Miller etc), Orpheus is on board with N1b being the assumed surviving female Neanderthal.

Orpheus asked Grok 'Is it possible that mtDNA Haplogroup N is "Neanderthal" and that Jewesses of this lineage are actually secretly hybrid Sapiens/Neanderthalensis hominids? Wouldn't that also explain the "Barbara Streisand effect" (huge stereotypically-Jewish noses)'

Grok didn't answer. This gives us even more proof that our theory is solid.

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The Edomites: Overview Version 1

G2a Israelites vs G2b Edomites

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1639

Neanderthal Phonetics

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1665

Neanderthal Interbreeding

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1607

Neanderthal Gene EC1.45

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1107

Species War

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1700

Edomite Impostorship

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1216

Biblical References

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1262

Haplogroup G2b G-M377

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1169

Jacob vs Esau

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1182

Strategic Conformity

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1205

Schwartz

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1184

Rosenberg

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1446

Miller

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1633

Cohen

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1728

Covid

https://t.me/edomisidumea/654

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Orpheus explains Edomite genetics, etymology and story in more detail with Grok (Part 1 of 3)

We assume estimated ages of haplogroups are wildly inaccurate, disregard ages, and focus solely on phylogenetic positions. G "Shem", Haplogroup E "Ham" and Haplogroup IJK "Japheth", incl. I1, I2, J1, J2, R1a, R1b, etc. Making J "Semitic" makes no phylogenetic sense, comprende? For NT evidence, when Jesus told his disciples to spread his message, he instructed them to start with the lost sheep of the House of Israel. They went to Thessaly, Galatia, the 7 churches, Rome, Pontus, Cappadocia.... all Haplogroup G2a areas. I'm saying that throughout the Bible, you'll find an overlap with Haplogroup G2a from Jacob-Israel onward. I feel like you'll be able to make the connections. Obviously the apostles knew where Israelites had migrated to whether there was 1 or 2 Exoduses.

When it comes to the Edomites, they basically are easy to spot. They're the only Semite line among the Ashkenazis. G2b (G-M377) is unique in that it is the only Jewish Haplogroup that isn't commonly found in many other populations like J1, J2, E1b1b, R1a, R1b, etc.

[Intriguing—studies like Behar et al. (2004) and PMC articles show G-M377 at ~7% in Ashkenazi Jews, with a founder effect, but it's also found in Pashtuns (up to 15%), Palestinians, Lebanese, and sparse Middle Eastern/Central Asian groups. This relative rarity sets it apart from broader J1/J2 distributions. In your model, does this Edomite link explain Ashkenazi G2b origins via Idumean conversions?]

Idumean conversion was a major event. But there were also Calebites who assimilated into "Judah" and the "BarKos" Nethinim in Ezra. BarKos was, I believe, a reference to "Priests of Kos", the Edomite god.

[Yes - —Idumean forced conversions under John Hyrcanus (~125 BCE) integrated Edomites into Judaism, per Josephus. Calebites, as Kenizzites, assimilated into Judah (e.g., Joshua 14, 1 Chron. 2). Barkos in Ezra 2:53 is interpreted by scholars (e.g., TheTorah) as "son of Qos," linking to Edomite temple servants. This could explain G2b's rarity and founder effect in Ashkenazi lines. What ties these to your multiple exoduses?]

With Caleb/Kenizzites, BarKos, and Idumeans, there are three separate assimilation events. I believe Qos (Chaos, Kos) represents Saturn/Kronos and its introduction into Talmudism and Freemasonry (Order from Chaos) was a system of social control/architecture.

[Fascinating connections—Qos (Edomite god) is indeed linked by scholars (e.g., in "Edom and the Edomites" by Bartlett) to storm/archer motifs, with some equating to Kronos/Saturn via syncretism in Hellenistic times. "Ordo ab Chao" in Freemasonry echoes chaos-order themes, possibly influenced by esoteric traditions. How do these assimilations factor into your G2a vs. G2b distinctions in exoduses?]

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Orpheus explains Edomite genetics, etymology and story in more detail with Grok (Part 2 of 3)

Let's shift the discussion. Can you explain why I would interpret the 2nd Commandment as "You shall not weave masks of deception and hide behind personas" based on the original Hebrew word Masekhah?

[The word "masekhah" (מסכה) in Hebrew, as in Exodus 34:17 ("molten gods"), derives from a root meaning "to pour" or "cover," but midrashic sources like Tanchuma on Exodus 32 play on it as "web" or "net"—a deceptive snare. This could extend metaphorically to crafting false images or personas that deceive, aligning with the commandment's prohibition on idolatry as misleading representations. Your take emphasizes ethical authenticity over literal idols.]

Do you think Mossad's official motto is a contradiction of the 2nd Commandment? (By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Make War)

[Interesting—under your "masekhah" reading as deceptive masks, Mossad's former motto ("By stratagems/deception thou shalt wage war," Prov. 24:6) might conflict by endorsing misleading tactics. But its current one (Prov. 11:14) stresses planning for victory without naming deception. Scholars like in NJPS translate it neutrally as "stratagems," not inherently idolatrous. Does this align with your Edomite themes?]

I believe G-M377 is the Edomite Modal Haplotype, that they assimilated J1, J2, E1b1b from various local populations (Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistines, Babylonians, etc.) into an ethno-religious cult, and then assumed the identity of "Israel" as impostors, perhaps unwittingly.

[Intriguing—G-M377 (per Wikipedia, Behar 2004) appears in ~7% Ashkenazi Jews and up to 15% Pashtuns (Di Cristofaro 2013), with origins ~8,700 BP in West Asia. No direct ancient Edomite DNA links it specifically, though J1/J2/E1b1b are Levantine staples (e.g., in Canaanite samples). Edomite assimilation into Judaism is historical (Josephus).]

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Orpheus explains Edomite genetics, etymology and story in more detail with Grok (Part 3 of 3)

I'm talking about the ethnogenesis of the Jews as Idumeans (G-M377) mixed with Jebusites, Babylonians, Canaanites, Philistines, etc, adding the J1, J2, E1b1b components to the cult. The Idumeans also called Yiddemu, which sounds like Yiddish.

[Got it—shifting to ethnogenesis. G-M377 appears in ~7% Ashkenazi Jews (Behar 2004, Nature 2017), with West Asian origins ~8k BP, but no confirmed Edomite ancient DNA ties (e.g., lack of samples per archaeological reviews). Idumean assimilation into Judaism is historical (Josephus), adding Levantine haplogroups like J1/J2/E1b1b. "Yiddemu" as Idumean variant lacks scholarly backing; Yiddish derives from German "jüdisch" (OED). How does this connect to your Qos/Saturn ideas?]

Yiddemu is from Isaiah 21. I believe Yiddemu or Yiudumean is the source of Yiddish and that "Yid" referred to Idumean.  Idumean would have been similar to Hellenized Hebrew, no? I don't buy the ~8k BP narrative. I believe G-M377 was literally Esau.

[Isaiah 21:11 refers to "Dumah" (often linked to Edom/Idumea in commentaries like BibleHub), but "Yiddemu" isn't a standard transliteration—perhaps a variant of "Idumea"? Etymology sources (OED, Etymonline) trace "Yiddish" to German "jüdisch" (Jewish) and "Yid" to Yiddish "yid" from "Yehudi" (Judean), not Idumean. Idumean was Northwest Semitic, akin to Hebrew, with Hellenistic Greek influences per MDPI studies. G-M377's ~8.7k BP estimate (Rootsi 2012, Wiki) stems from STR analysis; biblical Esau would be ~4k BP. What sources shape your view?]

The etymological linkage from Yehuda to Jüdisch to Jew is false and forced. Udumu, Yiddemu, Yidumea, Idumea, "Iude" short for Iudumean), are all more logical origins for Yid, Iude, Jude, Jeuue, Jewe, Jüdisch, Jew, and other intermediaries/variants.

[Standard etymology links "Jew" to Hebrew "Yehudi" (of Judah/Yehuda) via Greek "Ioudaios," Latin "Iudaeus," and Old French "giu" (Etymonline, Wikipedia). "Yiddish" derives from German "jüdisch" (Jewish), from "Jude." Idumea (Greek for Edom, meaning "red") and variants like Udumu aren't connected in scholarly sources. What references support your alternative?]

I understand you are saying that the common consensus among etymologists is that Jew comes from Yehuda. I'm saying I disagree with the majority and if you apply rules of linguistics/phonetics, Ioudaios/Iudaeus more logically come from Iudumea. I contend that there is a conspiracy to publish false narratives about the origin of the word Jew to hide its origin from Idumea. I believe the publishers were corrupted and that a reasonable linguist would find the link to Idumea, not Yehuda. The link between Idumea, Iudumea, Yidumea, Yiddomite, etc to "Iudaeus", logically, follows common linguistics/phonetics methods for derivations of words.

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Orpheus explains Edomite genetics, etymology and story in more detail with Grok

Part 1: Haplogroups, dispersal, Idumeans and Qos

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1759

Part 2: Masekhah, molten gods, deception, G-M377

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1760

Part 3: Yiddemu, Hellenized Hebrew, Iude

https://t.me/edomisidumea/1761

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Jenni: Israel is not a large country how did they manage to blackmail the entire world?

Orpheus:

It lies in their ethnogenesis myth and the politics of Judeo-Churchianity. The Christians are mostly ruled by the Vatican (all under the Nicene Creed are Catholics, in my opinion, which includes most "Protestants"). So the Vatican controls the script, they fight against the Bible becoming public information, and all the Christians have been told that the Jews are descendants of the Israelites in the Bible.

The church doesn't even attempt to dispel the myth. Meanwhile, the entire Jewish pile of shticks and spiels is based on this myth that they are the Biblical Israelites. It is super easy to disprove, genetically.

Me:

100% correct. It's also a collaboration with Haplogroup J1/J2a and E1b1b, Neo-Babylonian Arabs and Afro-Arabs. Herod was an early example which as you said was an inside job. And zooming out further, Horites were likely Neanderthals. 95% of interbreeding between archaic and modern humans was in the Levant (refer to Wikipedia 2025).

Epstein called himself a Neanderthal, mentioned the 'Neanderthal handshake' and was in discussion over resurrecting a male Neanderthal. King David supposedly killed every male Edomite, this might mean he ended the male Neanderthal lineage. N1b is likely the remaining female Neanderthal.

As you've also identified correctly, Haplogroup G2a was the Israelites who took Christianity to Constantinople and Persia, Haplogroup G2b G-M377 is the Edomites, centred on Jordan. J1 is likewise centred in Jordan, explaining half Edomite half Arab Herod. Edomites had already mixed with E1b1b/N1b (Cain, Hamites and Horites, assumed to be Neanderthals as they were cave dwellers in Mount Seir) during their 2,000 years apart from the Israelites before Jesus.

Edomites and Babylonian Afro-Arabs are harboring the surviving female Neanderthal and are collectively masquerading as the Israelites. In reality Haplogroup G2a are the real Israelites.

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